Bending golf clubs is a relatively inexpensive procedure that you can pay someone else to do on your behalf. To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. 6-iron launch: 17* Ping Tour Gorge 50SS, SM5 M-Grind 54/10, TM Tour Preferred 58/10 Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. Lastly I thought bending irons stronger, influenced the bounce of the club as well. ProV1x-mostly. [img]http://pxc86358mpx1hyn3hdxen4o1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/171831.png[/img]. Fitting.. gives you a choice. Now, your club is set to be at the right lie angle for YOU at impact - and now it is up to YOU whether that's ok or whether you need to fix a hook or slice tendency. Display as a link instead, By the way, thank you all for your input! Any adjustment to loft will alter the bounce angle on the sole. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Should I see any difference in 1 degree stronger irons? It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. Pw 45 131, Hickory Bag: Brassie, Mid Iron, Mashie, Mashie Niblick, Niblick, Putter, Driver: PXG 12*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 63 6.0, Long Game: PXG 13*, PXG 16*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 83 6.5 (flip between the two), Driving Iron: PXG 0311 4 iron bent 17.5*; ProForce VTS 100HX (finally found a driving that works), Irons: NIKE VR Pro CBs Raw 4 - PW: Aldila RIP Tour 115 s,these are similar length irons (4 iron 37.75, PW 36.25)7, Wedges: Titleist Vokey 50F, 54D, 58S: DG S300 (will sometimes add in the 58* on shorter courses), Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Design #5 35 inches: Super Stroke GP Tour. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210), Titleist Scotty Cameron Futura X7M Putter and Stitch Polo XXL NWT, NEW Taylormade Stealth 2 Plus 9 deg. Clear editor. You will notice the strike feels much more energetic and the ball flies totally different when you get it right. To help keep their driver shafts stable and the golf ball in play off the tee, many of them "tip," or trim, their golf shafts to make . Therefore, if youre planning to bend your high-quality cast clubs, our advice remains the same check in with a local club fitter in your area and ask them to complete the work on your behalf. I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. So tweak to fit your gaps In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Then again this is all coming from a low spin player. Thanks for everybody for your help! Now of course this does not apply to all golfers by any means. Taking your irons to a pro and letting them get to work on your behalf is undoubtedly your best option. [/b][/size] [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] ENTER NOW! You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? There is no standard lie so the actual lie angle could be anything. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] You can post now and register later. You cannot paste images directly. United States. You cannot paste images directly. One of the least common reasons is distance- usually, they're trying to get the ballflight into a "window" that they're comfortable with- if a 7 iron goes to high, bend it stronger. Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. See What Members Are Saying! TXG Custom King Cobra Nova, 25 gram weights, Garsen Ultimate grip. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph Players have been doing this for a long time. AP2 irons are forged and can be bent with no problem, BUT I would recommend taking them to someone who does this for a living. (Worth the Money?!). And that is forged soft steel clubheads and there are several forging methods and processes available. The Senior pros are able to compete with their graphite shafted irons, but the modern . IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Warrior Golf Clubs Review - What Happened? YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. GIVEAWAY! 9 iron 42 145 Callaway Apex Pro 16 KBS Tour V x Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. If there are a more than normal amount of clubs that you are seeing like this then I do not know what to say. To make sure shots are flighted properly, lighter shafts are usually used in stronger-lofted models, like the KBS Max in Callaway's Rogue and TaylorMade M4. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Cleveland RTX4 Raw, Low Bounce 55*, Tour Issue DG S400. Axis 1 Rose model 35.5'' I'm curious about this as well. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. Tour Velvet Midsize Grips. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. 6-iron launch: 17* Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine: Get Bending! There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. So, no matter the type of golf irons that you have, you can bend them to adjust their degrees of loft. Hybrids: 4-5 Epic Flash 6,7 Big Bertha. This applies to both face angle and lie. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. [/quote] It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Your link has been automatically embedded. Gotcha. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. ENTER NOW! Wish he could drop the loft down to 7.5* Upright. Have wondered why he always had a little fade with his Mizuno mp32 and mp67 irons but much less so with Callaway X16 irons. 2. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. R11S 8* square; Stock stiff While there is no way to say if any of that would be a problem or a benefit, it certainly will not have the same effect as tweaking the loft. What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. They sit better to my eye on the ground, the leading edge is noticeably lower and seems to line up with the hosel better (for lack of a better way to put it). The iron will roll 'open' when bent strong. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. I'm curious about this as well. A wide back milled slot enhances the clubhead's stability on off-center strikes Added perimeter weighting with toe-bias Covered with a pearl brush finish Pros Soft feel at the impact on strikes out of the middle Promotes accelerated ball speed in your 4 to 7 iron shots Reduced offset allows for better shot workability Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. [/quote] I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. which leads to your observation since a rather huge majority of golfers slice the ball (even if they like to call it a fade) then a simple band-aid is to bend it more upright.. in the same way most drivers have their faces set closed at address and also with far more upright lie angles than 'fits'. If they can market a club that will cut down on that slice they are going to sell more clubs. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. You probably have hair as well. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. [/quote] The most popular brand is Golfsmith which manufactures high-quality loft/lie bending machines. TXG Custom PXG 0211 6-pw, 1* flat, Recoil ESX 460 R. Callaway MD5 46*, Tour Issue DG S200. Testing for correct lie angle is very easy - they'll put some tape along the sole of the club and get you to hit balls off a lie board (just a hard surface, can use the mat also but a good flat hard surface makes the mark easier to see). In some cases, due to the softness of our forgings, "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x. I choose my lofts based on the yardages I want to hit it and nothing else. Weaker lofts mean (all other things being equal) getting the ball up into the air quicker, and a little higher trajectory on your shots. [/quote] Thanks! gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Bending golf clubs also make your irons either slightly shorter or longer. [/quote]tango xray 3 3 gives a great visual during practice with that hoop! [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Vice versa if the club is upright. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM 2. The #1 reason for doing this is it changes how the club will sit on the ground. When you start messing with length, then you also mess with swing weight and then adding weight to compensate for the SW can start messing with the flex of the shaft. The credit goes to this website for explaining the entire process. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. While you can theoretically bend fairway woods and hybrids, the design and loft of irons mean that you can bend them to ensure that theyre consistent from one club to the next. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. This is a more upright lie angle.. [/quote] YOU have to be in control trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. If you wanted to know more about how the process works of bending the loft and lie angle of clubs, watch the video below from Mitchell Golf: Although golfers often buy new golf clubs instead of modifying their current irons, bending clubs is a great way to make changes to the loft of your clubs to help you improve your accuracy and consistency. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is . Still have questions? Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. (used to hook, now after lessons - ongoing - cannot hook even if i try to.. still hope to get back to a nice draw..) . 6-iron launch: 17*. Ok thanks ya'll. Albion, MI 49224 Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. CallawayTCB w/ LAgolf L-series 5 Cleveland RTX 2.0 50*, 55*, 60* Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? Given that bending your golf clubs is all about fine margins, its far too easy to get it wrong when you do it yourself, so its much better to entrust the process with a fitter who has the experience and the right equipment! These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? You absolutely can buy a golf bending machine to use at home, but you will find that theyre super expensive, typically costing several hundred if not thousands of dollars. Of the other main manufacturers used . so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. I can do that with my 5 iron.. Oh wait never mine. Then again, I'm not sure that the spin you are talking about is a problem. Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Quote Link to comment So he decide just to make them all 3 degrees stronger instead of shortening them. enjoy the game and enjoy your new irons: standard lie, loft and length works for 90% of recreational golfers. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? [quote name='MountainKing' timestamp='1444316608' post='12427752'] So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. [quote name='clemsondds' post='1858228' date='Aug 1 2009, 07:36 PM']Ok thanks ya'll. 7 iron 32 171 They will adjust each iron to get even gaps between each iron. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. Just be mindful that high-quality cast irons will be a little more difficult to bend and require a specialist bending machine. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Upload or insert images from URL. Bending golf clubs is a viable option if youre looking to adjust the lie angle and loft of your golf clubs. Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. So I play my irons 2 deg flat. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. However, before opting to have your golf clubs bent, wed recommend speaking to a custom club fitter. By doing this, you'll ensure that your irons stay in a proper shape. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Biggest difference is in hit 2 degree upright in the center much more often and not as thin. Clubs are mass-produced with certain manufacturing variances in every factory. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red If you don't like bend them back. Yes delofting affects bounce. as many have already said, a more upright lie sort of "fixes" the leak to the right. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. I think most guys out there play less or equal loft to most retail sets out there these days.